Omegle

You're now chatting with a random stranger. Say hi!

Stranger: hi

You: hey

You: are you a christian?

Stranger: yeah

Stranger: you?

You: nope

You: why are you a Christian?

Stranger: because I believe that God exists. I believe that Jesus came to earth to save us. I believe in the power of the Holy Spirit. I believe in God's love.

You: what reasons do you have to believe those things?

Stranger: I've seen how much the power of prayer can help when you really put your heart into it. It does work.

You: ?

Stranger: I also believe that we are naturally instilled with a sense of right and wrong that could only come from God

You: how come prayer only works for things that would have been fixed anyways

You: like

You: why doesn't God heal amputees?

You: ever?

Stranger: That would have been fixed anyway? what?

You: ya know?

Stranger: Limbs are not necessary, as harsh as that sounds.

You: like cancer going into remission, someone is sick with fever and they pray and it goes away, or whatever

You: necessary for what?

You: and

Stranger: Necessary for living, necessary in terms of doing good.

You: people all over the world pray

Stranger: and?

You: and they say it works too

Stranger: yes?

You: with just as much conviction as you do

You: even though they aren't Christians

Stranger: That's where FAITH comes into play.

Stranger: You have to trust that the religion you have chosen to follow is the true way to God.

Stranger: And I do trust that.

You: but how can you be sure you have the right religion?

Stranger: FAITH is very powerful. I've grown up around several different religions. It's not like I was just born into it or forced into it.

You: for example, a Hindu can say the same thing

You: he can say he has faith

You: just as much as you

You: except he doesn't believe in Jesus

You: and you don

You: and you don't believe in Krishna

You: so who's right?

Stranger: Yes, that's fine. I believe he is wrong. Simple as that.

You: and he believes you're wrong

You: so who's right?

Stranger: He believes I'm wrong likewise.

You: and who's right?

Stranger: Well obviously we both believe the other is right.

Stranger: I don't have to give up religion because a Hindu thinks he's right too.

Stranger: If you've faith that the religion you follow is right, that's the important thing.

You: the issue is that your reasons for being a Christian are no different than a Hindu's reason for being a Hindu

You: so essentially, your reasons aren't good reasons in the first place

You: because they can apply to any religion

Stranger: You're ignoring my explanation about faith.

You: and besides

Stranger: Why are you curious anyhow?

You: you shouldn't need faith

Stranger: Yes, you should need faith.

You: if someone says 2+2=3

You: and another says 2+2=5

You: and they both have faith in what they say

You: that doesn't mean they are right

You: they have to show that what they say is true

You: and someone who actually does add them up

You: is going to end up with four

You: and the same thing applies with religion

Stranger: When it's something spiritual, you don't have to prove yourself to any human.

Stranger: It's a personal connection between you and God, regardless of what others think.

You: then why does the Bible have so many examples of prophets trying to prove themselves to others?

You: like when Moses turned his staff into a serpent

Stranger: To spread the word of God.

You: so you DO have to prove yourself

Stranger: He wanted to save the others, not to prove himself.

You: in certain situations

You: and in order to save the others he had to prove himself

You: because

Stranger: If it means guiding others, but not for personal satisfaction.

You: you mean prove for himself?

You: so you are willing to believe that 2+2=5?

Stranger: no

Stranger: no

You: you won't bother to add it up and look at the facts?

You: you'll just take it up on faith?

Stranger: 2+2=5 is not something spiritual

You: there's no such thing as spiritual

You: that's the problem

Stranger: yes there is

Stranger: the sooner you realise it, the better

You: like

You: for example the gospels

You: are allegedly written by mark matthew luke and john

You: but in reality

You: those people didn't even actually exist

Stranger: yes they did

You: nah

You: most Bible scholars say that other people wrote the gospel

You: gospels*

You: and like, Moses can't be the author of the Pentateuch because it talks about his death and where he was buried

You: it's simple facts like that

Stranger: right, so how do you know then, if you're so into evidence, that Matthew Mark Luke and John were nonexistant and the Bible scholars were telling the truth? Why do you choose to believe that?

Stranger: That's the thing- they're not facts

You: I don't choose to believe

You: it is facts

Stranger: No, it's not.

You: sure it is

Stranger: ha

You: it's just as much fact as 2+2=4

You: this has been studied extensively

Stranger: no, it's not, grow up. also, it has been 'studied extensively' that matthew mark luke and john were the real evangelists- mark in particular has ancient bishops and historians having given written evidence on his behalf

You: it's called the synoptic problem

You: and it exists

You: and the gospels contradict each other

You: because they're made up

Stranger: why are you interested in this anyhow? If you believed there is no God, why would it matter if I believed?

Stranger: no, they're not made up.

Stranger: Human error exists too.

Stranger: The evangelists were not perfect.

You: if there's human error, then you admit that there's a possibility they could be wrong?

Stranger: No, I also believe in divine intervention when it comes to the Gospels. The Gospels are true for the vast majority, however, yes, insignificant errors and contradictions in place, time etc may occur- these are unimportant HUMAN issues- it is the message that remains unchanged

You: nonono

You: these are not unimportant human issues

Stranger: you never answered my question

You: for example

You: 2 Timothy 3:16

You: says all scripture is inspired by the lord

Stranger: yes?

You: err

You: All scripture is given by inspiration of God....

You: "All scripture is given by inspiration of God.... "

Stranger: I'm not a fundamentalist. I'm Catholic.

Stranger: and answer the question please.

You: but in 1 Corinthians 7:12, Paul says he is speaking for himself, and not for God

You: which question?

You: that's a contradiction

You: another important contradiction

You: is what to do to get saved

Stranger: the question about why you're interested in it. If there is no God, then it's not doing any harm to believe in Him.

You: yes it is

You: there is so much harm

Stranger: like?

You: all that time wasted going to church living a lie

You: all that money wasted

You: all that effort wasted

You: for a lie

You: and

You: all the terrible things that Christians have done and still continue to do

Stranger: well if we all die surely it doesn't matter then?

You: who said anything about when we die?

Stranger: What about all the terrible things athiests do and still continue to do?

You: I'm talking about the life we're living now!

You: it's spelled atheist

You: and what terrible things?

You: like

You: the recent controversy in the Catholic church with the child abuse and coverup

You: but that's just today

You: the Inquisition, counter-reformation, and all of those evil things done by the Church

Stranger: Crimes etc committed by athiests- the headlines don't say 'athiest abuses child' or anything because it doesn't capture public interest in this corrupt society- it doesn't mean it doesn't happen

You: nonono

You: you're missing something there

You: I'm talking about things that Christians do that can be based in Christianity

Stranger: 'but that's just today'- exactly! Today is the problem! The world has strayed so much from God's love by our own ignorance and that's why this society is a disaster.

You: nonono

You: I'm saying that as the current issue

Stranger: I don't believe those people are truly Christian. simple as.

You: but the Church has been corrupt from the beginning

Stranger: So has the world outside the church.

You: but the Church claims to be pure and righteous

You: that's the difference

Stranger: This planet is corrupt- there's no escaping it- purity lies in heaven.

You: no

You: a priest claims to be a holy man

You: but in reality

You: he is no more holy than the rest of us

Stranger: God is what's important, moreso than the Church.

You: same with the pope

You: and you missed an important part of what I'm saying

You: i'm not talking about just general sinfulness or whatever

You: I'm talking about stuff that is ordained by Christianity that is harmful for the world

Stranger: We are all human, fine. Priests/Popes are well-educated in terms of Catholicism and are there to guide us, not to be worshipped. At the end of the day, faith is a personal connection between the individual and God, regardless of the Church or anything associated with it.

You: for example when the Church put Galileo on trial

You: or like when the pope says that condoms don't reduce the risk of aids

Stranger: I've never said that I support everything the church has done.

Stranger: I do support the church's view against condoms though.

You: how can you be a catholic yet not support the church?

You: the pope claims to be infallible

You: that's obviously untrue

Stranger: Just because the problem is common, doesn't mean it's right. The teachings of God have not changed over the last 2000 years- the world has, yes, but that's our fault- the teachings do not need to be changed in order to mould around a corrupt world- the corrupt world needs to change to mould around the teachings.

You: the teachings of God have definitely changed

Stranger: I support the church largely but I also have my own beliefs.

Stranger: like?

You: you really think that the Christianity you believe in today is that same as hundreds of years ago?

Stranger: yes.

Stranger: Time is nothing.

You: you would probably be killed if you lived back then

Stranger: so?

You: for example

You: in today's society, slavery is unacceptable

You: yet slavery is permitted in the Bible

Stranger: The Bible didn't say slavery was a good thing.

You: and Jesus encouraged slave owners to whip their slaves

You: The Bible doesn't say slavery was a bad thing

You: and actually

You: you're wrong on tehat

You: that

You: because

You: there are many times where God tells Moses and the Israelites to take up slaves

You: in the Book of Numbers

You: Chapter 31

You: why would God tell them to do something if it wasn't good?

You: right after they kill all the men and all the women who aren't virgins

Stranger: I've never claimed to know everything. Faith, again, is important.

You: they take all the children and virgin women as slaves

You: because God told them to

Stranger: You don't have to understand God's reasons for everything to follow Him.

Stranger: Not all humans are right.

You: so you're saying there's a good reason to do own slaves?

Stranger: I'm saying I don't know the reason.

You: ok but you

You: but you're saying that there can be a good reason to own slaves?

Stranger: possibly? I don't know.

You: you really don't know?

Stranger: Yes

You: you don't know whether or not slavery is wrong?

Stranger: I believe it's wrong, but maybe I'm wrong, simple as that.

You: you really think there's a possibility that owning another human being and treating him/her as garbage can be justified at times?

Stranger: I just said I believe it's wrong?

You: but you sound like you're unsure

Stranger: I'm not unsure in my belief in God.

You: >but maybe I'm wrong

Stranger: Faith is enough for me. God's love is enough for me.

You: that's uncertainty right there

Stranger: where?

You: when you say maybe you're wrong

You: that shows doubt

You: and uncertainty

Stranger: Maybe I'm wrong and God will punish me for it- maybe my human judgement is wrong- I don't mean 'maybe I'm wrong about God'

You: but do you get what I'm saying?

Stranger: not really

You: don't you think it's ridiculous to be unsure about whether or not slavery is good?

Stranger: no, I don't

You: for example earlier you said you agreed with the church when they say condoms are bad

You: yet nowhere in the Bible does it talk about condoms

You: so do you have the same uncertainty when it comes to that as well?

You: and that's just one example

Stranger: No! Catholicism teaches that it's God's view that the main purpose of sexual relations is to produce children.

You: there are so many other terrible things that God does in the Bible

You: how can you believe in such a cruel tyrant?

You: I'll tell you what

You: I'm 100% certain that slavery is wrong

You: period

Stranger: That's your view. I have my view. That's all there is to it.

You: no

You: my view

You: is based on facts

You: the fact is

You: being a slave sucks

You: and it's painful

You: and harsh

You: and it's wrong to treat another human being like that

Stranger: It doesn't matter who's right and who isn't. We're both human. Your perception of fact is different from mine.

You: I value life

You: you can't have perception of facts

Stranger: I value God's love.

You: there is only one fact

You: where is God's love when he orders Moses to take slaves?

You: And Moses said unto them, Have ye saved all the women alive? ... Now therefore kill every male among the little ones, and kill every woman that hath known man by lying with him. But all the women children, that have not known a man by lying with him, keep alive for yourselves.--Num.31:15-19

Stranger: I believe that a lot of what humans have come to know as fact may be wrong in God's eyes. His power is beyond the capability and understanding of any of us.

You: if he's beyongd the capability and understanding, then how can you be so certain?

You: and besides

You: that's a cop out

Stranger: His love is extremely powerful and I've felt that.

You: so did the virgin women who were taken as sex slaves feel his love too?

You: or all the innocent male children who were killed

Stranger: I don't care for evidence or facts- I care for God's righteousness.

You: all for God's love?

You: where is God's righteousness when he advocates slavery?

Stranger: As I've said, I've never claimed to understand God's reasons. I'm only human.

You: it's completely cruel and inhumane

You: I'll tell you why you can't understand them

You: because they don't exist

You: there IS NO GOOD REASON TO OWN A SLAVE

You: ever

Stranger: YOU believe they don't exist. Your beliefs are different from mine, that's it.

You: no

Stranger: yes

You: it's not a belief

You: it's a fact

You: it's a fact that slavery is a degenerate morality

You: because it goes against everyone's basic ethics

You: nobody would chose to be a slave

You: I don't know what country you're from

You: but I'm from Texas in the United States

Stranger: 'suffer little, children who come onto me, for there's is the kingdom of heaven' People may suffer on earth but they will receive consolation in Heaven

You: and in our parts of the world we say slavery is wrong

You: even though that contradicts the Bible

You: because we realize that the morals in the Bible are repugnant

You: we don't make excuses

You: saying that God works in mysterious ways or whatever

You: you need to open your eyes and accept the truth

You: there is no God

You: he's just fiction like Santa Claus

You: except worse, because Santa Claus doesn't tell people to own slaves

Stranger: Your idea of truth is different to mine- you are not going to change my views. I've argued with athiests on several occassions- I'm staying firm in my belief in God. I'm not willing to fall prey to the threat of Hell.

You: it's spelled atheist

Stranger: sorry

You: and if you're afraid of hell

You: that means you follow a tyrant

You: it's no different than running drugs for a mobster because you're afraid he'll murder your family

You: and

You: are you just as afraid as Islamic hell?

You: because you know that if Islam is true, you're going to hell

You: so why don't you convert to Islam to be safe?

You: the reality is

You: there is no heaven

Stranger: Because, like I said before, I have FAITH that Christianity is the way to God

You: and you can say that you have faith

You: but that's meaningles

You: it just means you give up on thinking things out yourself

Stranger: YOUR PERCEPTION OF REALITY IS NOT THE SAME AS MINE. ACCEPT IT.

Stranger: I offer it over to God- His will be done. Fine.

You: you can have faith in Christianity all you want, but when the time comes, Allah is going to condemn you to hell for not believing in the Quran

You: and you know what?

Stranger: So you're islamic?

You: A Muslim would say the same thing as you

You: he would say that he has faith

Stranger: so?

You: so when you say you have faith, it means nothing

You: because they have faith too

You: if you were born in India you would be a Hindu right now telling me you have faith in Vishnu

You: faith is 100% arbitrary

You: it's just a cop out

Stranger: It means something to me- I trust that my beliefs are right. I don't need 'evidence' for that. I'm willing to stand by my views regardless of human questioning.

You: you have no legitimate reason to do so

You: so... your faith is no different than people who believe that Elvis is still alive

You: because they say they have faith too

You: or kids that believe in Santa Claus

Stranger: How many times do I need to say that I believe what I believe because I have faith. I don't need 'legitimitate reasons'. Arguing with me is not going to make me stop believing in God.

You: see?

Stranger: what?

You: you're saying "I have faith that 2+2=5. I don't need to actually add two and two together, I just trust my faith that they equal five"

Stranger: God bless you. Why do you need to be so argumentative?

You: so you agree then that your faith is arbitrary and counter-productive?

You: think of all the things that people accomplished without faith

You: when instead they used evidence

Stranger: I'm sticking to my faith. Other people may stick to their opposing faiths. That's fine. End of.

You: you're using a computer

You: you think it's based on faith

You: that someone designed a computer?

You: or modern medicine?

Stranger: Freewill.

You: it's when people rejected faith as an epistemological stance

You: that we began a huge acceleration in advancement

You: when doctors and scientists performed experiments

You: to prove their medicines work

You: can you imagine if your doctor gave you a pill and said "I haven't actually checked what effects this pill has. I have faith it will heal you."

Stranger: When are you going to realise that any 'evidence' or examples aren't going to change my mind?

You: you've already changed your mind

You: you just don't realize it yet

Stranger: Maybe you think I'm wrong, but that's fine by me.

You: you've already said that you have doubt

You: that you're uncertain

You: whether slavery is good or bad

You: but you don't want to admit it

Stranger: I have faith in God. I don't need to prove that to you or to anyone.

You: because you're afraid that it might actually turn out that you're wrong

You: you can have all the faith you want

You: but that doesn't change the facts

You: you can change opinions, but you can't change the facts

Stranger: I'm not afraid that I'll turn out wrong.

You: 2+2=4 no matter how much faith you have

Stranger: I don't care.

Stranger: That's all there is to it.

You: so you say you're not afraid

You: now you sound full of conviction

You: but earlier you expressed doubt

You: this is just a sympton

You: symptom

You: of a bigger problem

You: you're trying to reassure yourself

You: because you have doubt

You: it's ok

Stranger: I'm human. I've never claimed to be perfect. I have my beliefs and I'm sticking to them.

Stranger: I don't care whether or not you think I have doubt.

You: just letting you know

You: that there is more to life than God

You: enjoy your life

You: because it's all you have

You: when you die it's over

Stranger: In YOUR opinion.

You: there's no heaven or hell

You: no this is a fact lol

Stranger: In YOUR opinion

You: and you can have all the faith you want

You: but in the end

You: you're going to be laying in a grave

You: while you decompose

You: and that's the end of it

Stranger: My faith will lead me to God, regardless of your views.

You: have a nice night

You have disconnected.